(Or that the barber was a woman, of course). Applying this to God, we find there is no need to introduce the entity God as this entity is not needed to explain anything. Perhaps a few people have been so affected. But there seems to be more standing in the way of our friend — let’s call him our New York friend. . Just believe in Me and you’ve got it.” Instead, He told him to keep the commandments. So, you already know the point I am illustrating. He will give us to each other for everlasting mutual love and admiration. He created me. The theist’s statement is reminiscent of various paradoxes that philosophy and mathematics have had to deal with. • The teleological argument (the argument from design) If you don’t believe in God at all, give me your best case. ... then you are under no obligation to do so either. Rather, He graciously met my need, and for that I am eternally grateful. ... Now, some people are sincerely seeking answers, and we should be able to give them good reasons for believing why we believe. Some rational theists say the existence of God does have evidence or reason on its side, . You may or may not balk at this reasoning—and I don’t entirely accept it myself—but at least it shows how very problematic rational arguments can become when they deal with cosmic questions such as “how did everything begin?”, “how could something come out of nothing?”, and so on. What he does, in lieu of this, is prepare the rest of us for our own encounters we might have in our daily lives. Advertisement Anti-global warming skeptics say the placement of some weather stations in … To find an answer to this perplexing mystery, let’s look, as good skeptics do, at the evidence and reasoning concerning belief in God. We do believe that every person will have an opportunity to repent, and that God will not exclude anyone because he happened to be born at the wrong place and at the wrong time. They see God as both outside and enveloping the world—transcending the world. Regular, disciplined Bible intake is not optional for God’s people. They rant about how both sides in wars claim God is on their side. If you’re a believer without any nagging doubts, first get real and then put yourself in the shoes of a skeptic and give me a reason not to believe. Faith is thought of as something that one believes blindly - with no supporting evidence. He himself is the greatest gift he can give to us, and he does not hold back. Why is there evil and suffering? Thankfully (or unthankfully, depending on your perspective) religious belief is not merely the province of anti-scientific, anti-modern fundamentalists who take every word, comma and period in some sacred text -- like the Bible or the Koran -- to be the sole and authoritative truth about just about everything. But I’d like to point out another factor. He has no cause. These really are difficult puzzles to sort out and have been argued about for centuries. That piece prompted one of the faith community's most ardent opponents of climate action, Calvin Beisner, to jump to Limbaugh's defense in a piece entitled God, Rush, and Global Warming. . Some people have a belief in God that consumes their lives. In fact—and this is disturbing—string theory may be in principle incapable of empirical confirmation. When you say to them that God too must have a cause, that is obviously wrong to them. Now to atheists, it seems like special pleading to say God is not part of everything that’s been created. So if science cannot present evidence for its theories about the basis of our universe’s existence and if we cannot even test the basic things we take for granted as being true every day, is it fair to demand these kind of proofs about a religion’s hypothesis about what it also considers a basic fact of our existence—namely, God as creator? Or … Nothing comes from nothing!!! 3:38 pm, Blinkered and dogma-bound: Transitions in evolution and the continuing creationist denial. Jesus says in Matthew 7:9–11, “Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Well, I hope I can help. It may be impossible to test this idea about the basic structure of our physical world (although string theorists argue about this). We’re on a mission to change that. A farfetched claim, no evidence for it, lots of evidence debunking such claims, lots of reasoning against it. Here’s the way Peter puts it in 1 Peter 2:9: “. The atheists cannot apply the same logic to the universe creating itself in the First Cause argument, as theists can with God creating himself, since atheists (at least the ones we are concerned about here) seek only natural causes and cannot assign characteristics beyond our rationality to the universe, as theists can with God. However, this viewpoint does not represent biblical Christianity. You could say the same of the claim “There is a God”. When God finally judges the world, his judgment will be perfectly just, and he will not disapprove of his justice. Go To Video Page It’s no surprise that most Americans believe in God, according to science writer and skeptic Michael Shermer. Both sides come away with thinking they’re right, or at least they could be right. This was once perceived as a very strong argument, but in the past two centuries it has been blunted by theories of biological and cosmological evolution which show that natural processes can be pretty good designers too. • The ontological arguments (arguments from being) On the other hand, we have the Intelligent Design people arguing that natural selkection  may have created some things but couldn’t have created everything we see in biology, such as the human eye, and so God must have had a hand in our creation. They think the universe is a cold, empty, lonely, stupid place full of soulless, mindless, zombie biological bodies who have no free will and no consciousness. All content has been taken from Josh McDowell’s Answers to Tough Questions Skeptics Ask About the Christian Faith. Both of these answers may be true. God is God, not in spite of permitting sin, but because he constantly is turning sin for his wise and just and merciful purposes for those who trust him. But joining up with this current Skeptic (TM) movement means never having to tell the faithful how their god isn’t real. This book refutes the claims made by critics such as Dawkins and his colleagues. There does not seem to be an irrefutable logical case to be made for the existence of God. Suppose someone asks you to explain what democracy in Canada means. What has become clear though is that none of these arguments clearly carry the day. “Dear Pastor John, why did God create us? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!” In other words, a child may not get exactly what he asks for, but he will get good things because he asks, because he prays. Many smart, reflective scientifically literate people obviously still do believe in god. That’s his communication through nature. Is it really necessary to take that … But I know religious skeptics who would stay up all night to argue their side on the basis of evidence and reason too. It seems unlikely to account for most believers. But it’s usually not the rational argument itself that does all the work of sudden conversion in the examples I’ve seen. Or consider string theory, the latest set of ideas being proposed to succeed relativity and quantum mechanics as the most profound explanation of how our universe works. Atheist: But if everything has a cause and God created the world, then what caused God? I’ll give/send a free copy of Daniel Taylor’s book, The Skeptical Believer, to the person who gives the best argument. Only a few times in my life have I been mad at God. One place they often point to is Proverbs 26:4–5, “Do not answer a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him.Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.” I’m not saying rational arguments cannot be effective under the right circumstances. Here are a few of the standard pro-God arguments: The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism (9781594483493) by Timothy Keller Many of them are aimed at countering already stated arguments in favour of God’s existence. If there must be an uncaused cause, would it more likely be something natural or something outside our normal reality? In other words, whatever people do means nothing to us who believe. And almost no one is convinced to switch by the arguments alone. Whether you will acknowledge that he is speaking is another matter, but he is speaking. What seems to stand in the way of him affirming this biblical reality is the sort of things people have said to him about God and his world and his word. As the flight from Chicago to Dallas climbed in the sky, I became engrossed in conversation with the passenger to my left. Napoleon noted to Laplace that in all the wheeling of planets and moons and suns, Laplace hadn’t mentioned the role of God. It holds that the world seems too well designed for having been a chance event—a superior intelligence must have designed it. So what if this offends ultra-rationalists? This interview was for his Senior Project, on studying different worldviews that people hold on religion, and why they believe what they believe. Others are confirmed in their theistic beliefs. Or are we missing something in the logic that seems to lead to the equation skepticism = atheism? Sometimes it helps just to hear God respond to criticisms of God. Second, he does not keep us for himself alone. Atheist: If God can be eternal, then the world can be eternal too. God is being excepted because He is different from everything else in the universe. Gee, no wonder these skeptics are so misguided. I am talking about people who are skeptics of things like probably life on other planets and ghost sometimes do not believe in change or reincarnation... Are these people kind of naive ignoring the fact that we only use 10% of our brain and all the knowledge of the world is not place in our hands ??? Faith that does not result in actions is a dead faith (James 1:26). In NYC I’ve met all sorts of people who reject God. Everyone is a skeptic to some degree. For example, most people who call themselves atheists in a culture where the dominant god is the Jewish, Christian, or Islamic god (i.e., Abraham's god or AG) would mean, at the very least, that they do not believe that there is an omnipotent, omniscient, providential creator of the universe. This might sound a little strange, so let me break it down. That is why being a genuine skeptic means being a disbeliever and being open about disbelieving everything religions talk about. But a good place to start is the nature of belief itself. You can either give them a complete dissertation on the historical, scientific, and prophetical inerrancy of Scripture or you can simply ask them why they believe that way. Why did God do this? Whatever good a person does, he will receive it again from the Lord. To me that seems the most natural thing to do and why most people don’t do so will always be a mystery to me, a mystery that drives me to write about this subject over and over again. In The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism, Timothy Keller makes a compelling and thought provoking argument for believing in one God. This book, like every other book is only as accessible as open minds become available. I believe, with all my heart, He will do the same for you, if you seek His truth with an open mind.” Answer from Skeptics: Atheists and other skeptics demand no more nor less evidence for the existence of the Christian god, Yahweh/the resurrected Jesus Christ, than we do for the existence of the Loch Ness Monster, the Abominable Snow Man, and Bigfoot. We’re pretty sure there is no Loch Ness monster since there is no persuasive evidence and there is lots of inductive reasoning that would make it unlikely such a creature of that size could survive in the loch. A. Lack of evidence, plus lack of convincing argument either pro and con, should by default result in a lack of belief. In a way, this may seem to be an escape clause for us. Do you know someone who has had a mind altering experience? Premises regarding skepticism: Consider first a story. Arguments for God. That it is wrong to murder our loved ones. He’s God. For we find ourselves in the world as it is, a world of everything and God. (Romans 1:19–20). Rather a set is built by grouping together certain things and then seeing what defines them as belonging to the set. After all is said about God and religion and first causes and evil and morality, the bottom line is that we do not need the concept of God for any immediate practical purpose. Who are you going to believe? This way you would never end up with such a self-contradictory set. I have made you happy and those who shall take thy name. There are no easy places to stand for all that God tells us, but he seems to be in a particularly hard place. You hear it all the time." • Psychological explanation Most liberal theologians do not believe in the doctrine of the virgin birth. We don’t have a test to determine our entire lives have not been illusory. We could then move ahead with beliefs that were supported by the evidence. Despite this logic however, many skeptics are also believers in God. Similarly when the theist says, “God created everything”, God is being excepted. Perhaps the clearest answer to why we were created, why this friend in New York was created, is Isaiah 43:6–7: “Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the end of the earth, everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made.” That’s probably the simplest, most straightforward sentence in the Bible in answer to the question. Some god is always on their side, no matter how evil their behavior. Reading Time: 6 minutes “Prove Your God Exists!” Last week, in Part 1 of this topic, we talked about the importance of our having a right attitude when interacting with skeptics. Q. A QUESTION ?? Suppose today the sky should open up and God appear, revealing Himself once and for all to the world. You Are Not Alone! He is never cornered into doing or allowing anything that his wisdom and justice and mercy do not govern. We represent non-religious students at the University of Missouri. God is an hypothesis they think they do need in their understanding of how the world works. I have seen no convincing evidence that the Loch Ness monster exists, so I don’t believe in the Loch Ness monster. He called himself a "fideist" -- someone who embraces belief in God without having a rational foundation to do so. In other words, because it was a Gap. Over the centuries, numerous argument have been put forward both for and against the existence of God. I’ve heard things such as ‘God enjoys seeing others suffer.’ ‘God isn’t real because people suffer.’ ‘God doesn’t answer prayers.’ ‘God doesn’t talk to us.’ ‘Look at the Bible: he allowed suffering, killing, polygamy.’ ‘He is selfish and wants you all to himself.’ On and on it goes. God gave him a cup of nectar and said, "I am with you. It is meaningful to them on some level to talk of God’s existence. that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.” We exist to reflect, to proclaim, to display the excellencies of our redeeming creator, God. I’m going to offer 4 reasons why it seems like most Christians don’t actually believe what they claim to believe (even if they think they do). Why did he make the universe? What to do with people who believe in other gods. For instance, extraordinary claims without extraordinary evidence to support them do sometimes turn out to be valid after all. I’ll say it again: immeasurable fullness — way beyond what we deserve or need. When the rich young ruler asked what he needed to do to inherit eternal life, Jesus simply could have said, “It’s easy: God loves you, man, and I love you too! That’s what Jesus says. There's as much empirical evidence of ghosts as there are gods; there isn't any whatsoever. • The problem of human suffering Laplace’s reply: “I have no need for that hypothesis.”. Fourth, “God doesn’t talk to us.” Answer: Yes he does. Is that too big a price to pay, to get more science accommodated by society? Skeptics often object that belief in the Christian God, or any god at all, is a matter of having blind faith without any rational reason for one's beliefs. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. Either way, it is between you and ALLAH, the one God. No way to disprove it, so not a scientific issue. First, people have said God enjoys seeing others suffer. Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If they drain the entire loch and don’t find it, I’ll get up to as close to 100 percent sure as possible. A notable feature of most such arguments is that they are generally negative. What Skeptics Should Understand About Christianity SKEPTIC: "It's common knowledge. So why did he create us? These are assumptions we all operate on every day, yet they have been notoriously difficult to prove by argument or evidence for several millennia. Actually I would still vote for something natural, but I can see why human intuitions would favour the extra-natural solution. In any case, after the First Cause argument takes place, neither the believer nor the non-believer has convinced the other that there is or is not a God. And, over time, like water dripping on a rock, some rational arguments may have a cumulative effect. The skeptics who don't believe in global warming at all are the ones who most vehemently attack weather data, the analysis of the climatologists and the predictions of the models. String theory may not only bypass the “extraordinary evidence” rule, but applying the standards of logical positivism, verificationism and falsifiability may also indicate it is meaningless or unscientific. Second, they say, “God isn’t real because people suffer,” or, “Look at the Bible: he allows suffering, killing, polygamy.” Actually, he not only allows it, he governs it. Just use whatever figure you think indicates great confidence in atheism while keeping a tiny part of the mind open for potential contrary information.). We’re a movement to encourage widespread use of the scientific method and critical inquiry, not to demand agreement on every point on pain of excommunication. To ask “why aren’t all skeptical people atheists?” is like asking “Why aren’t all democratic people Liberals?”. - can a REAL skeptic believe in god yet still be a skeptic ?? Theist: If there’s no God, then what created the world? You may have heard of the liar’s paradox or the paradox of the set that includes all sets that are not members of themselves. They deride superstition and the power of churches. Have you ever heard anyone say, “I used to go to church and worship God, but once I heard the scientific explanation of how the universe evolved from the Big Bang, I became an atheist”? Do you believe in anything at all that would fall into the realm of the paranormal, or the preternatural category? Consider an argument that is used on both sides, the First Cause argument. • The argument from authority Some do. Atheists say they do not believe in God at all, while an agnostic is not sure whether or not God exists. Do skeptics believe there is a reason for existing? copyright© 2009, the Association for Science and Reason | Web Design by Dave Noel, This site is best viewed in Firefox or Safari, Article by: But, almost alone among skeptics, he believed passionately in God, prayer, and eternal life. Skeptics do this too, ... anxieties and yearnings reflected in those around me. Why did he create me in the first place? This is a segment from the 2006 Amazing Meeting. A skeptic cannot be a theist. God bless you as you grow in Him. Another tact they may point out is that supposedly paradoxical statements do not create such problems in everyday life. Philosophical skeptics believe that objective truths are unknowable and that man should live in an isolated environment in order to win mental peace. Why do scientific skeptics insist on debunking supernatural and paranormal belief, dispelling the magic in the world? Theist: God is eternal. Recently, there have been many critics and skeptics on the existence of a God and on religion, specifically Christianity. This past month I was. Examples: Ghosts Extraterrestrial life forms Mythical or cryptozoological creatures Spontaneous human combustion Clairvoyance etc. 336 pages, softcover from Dutton. Muslims believe that the Bible has been corrupted (it hasn’t), so that they can make room for the justification to deny what it really says. The original formulation of this famous rule is that one should not multiply entities needlessly. I return to the question with this biblical answer for why we were created. This is no different from other positions we skeptics hold on all sorts of extraordinary claims. These phenomena are so powerful that throughout history seekers of knowledge have sought to induce them. This lack of evidence is actually the atheist’s strongest asset. Advertisement: It’s no surprise that most Americans believe in God, according to science writer and skeptic Michael Shermer. And why should I marvel at him coming to save me? Atheists go on about how ridiculous it is to believe a loving God would allow children to die of horrible diseases. They are one of the foundations of widespread belief in the paranormal. Some don't. Have you ever heard anyone say, “I used to be a sinner, but once I heard the ontological argument, I was saved”? BELIEVER 1- Really it takes more faith to believe this all just happened than to believe a Great God designed us! The biblical picture of Jesus that the Bible gives us is of him holding a great banquet with all his followers seated at a table in a great company, enjoying the food and enjoying each other. We certainly do not need it for science at this time. Our goal is not to debunk all these claims but to consider the evidence for them. Have mercy on me as I dare, in ten minutes, to answer questions that have caused thousands of books to be written. That’s what I meant a minute ago when I said sometimes it helps just to hear God answer criticisms about God. At certain historical junctures or at certain points in peoples’ lives, they may be looking for a new way to see the world. As an atheist I’m willing to stay up all night arguing with fellow skeptics that the evidence and reason should lead them to disbelieve in God. Why wouldn’t we be? Belief in god is also usually considered a matter of faith, rather than of the evaluation of evidence. Since there is no such evidence, we should. . The evidence is on the side of the skeptics — the people who say, “This isn’t worth it. But what binds us all as skeptics is the method, our acceptance of evidence and reason as an approach to all claims. For one thing, each of these arguments has a strong answer from the theist side, answers that even an atheist could guess at. I would hope that those skeptics who believe in God also keep an open mind about what they believe, though I cannot speak for them, and that does not affect my own beliefs. SKEPTIC 2- some supernatural sky daddy made everything is a lot more fantastic than the Big Bang and evolution which is absolute certain. God is beyond causation. Each is left with showing only that their side is possibly right. We get questions like this email from a podcast listener in New York City. Click here for details. We’d only said there was no evidence for it and thus no reason to believe in it. A theory like “Life is a dream” may be interesting but it’s not scientific because there is no way it can be proven that life is not a dream. Many of us have also come to disbelieve, or be confirmed in our disbelief, in gods. It seems as though the majority of Christians don’t really believe in god, even if they think they do. There is no life after death. This, of course, is one of the biggest questions that can possibly be asked. But why is this? Ultimately, God brought the universe into being and brought us into being so that God’s glory might be on display in the objective realities of his work, and especially as that glory is magnified in the enjoyment that his people have in knowing him and reflecting him and praising him, especially for his grace. For 33 years, he served as pastor of Bethlehem Baptist Church, Minneapolis, Minnesota. • The argument from the existence of morality Anyway, that’s the short version of why I don’t believe in any god. To begin with, an awful lot of active movement skeptics believe in god—something like a fifth to a third, depending on the measure. (I have no way of measuring this accurately of course. Many are atheists, but not all. Skeptics of the Bible often grasp at straws trying to find a contradiction in the Bible so that they can justify dismissing the Bible as what it claims to be—the Word of God. But one is about the process—the method—the democratic election. Why I Believe in God. Don't Believe in God? We’ll start with the reasoning. In my twenties I moved to New York City. Whatever joy there is in his final act, it will be owing not to the sadism of a monster but to the perfect justice of one who never wronged anyone and who gave his Son to die for sinners. We cannot create the set of “all the men who do not shave themselves and are shaved by the barber” and then see whether the barber fits into it. “Everything” means EVERYTHING. In his book “The Believing Brain,” he explains how belief … The other is about a possible result of that method. Premises regarding theism: This principle applies to both believers and skeptics alike. The refusal to make judgments is of uttermost importance since there is no knowledge; only probable opinions. Exodus 23:24a; Conquer people who believe in other gods and destroy their religious property. Some do. Are There Contradictions in the Bible? Skeptics apply critical thinking to different aspects of their lives in their own individual way. I don't really believe in God, but I do think that some people are luckier/will things to come true that do come true more than others. For these reasons I do not consider myself a 100-percent atheist. Two thousand years before Copernicus, a few individuals theorized that the earth went around the sun. Many skeptics are deeply religious, and are satisfied with the reasoning process that led them there. What you're asking me to do is believe in evolution without providing me any evidence for doing so. In other words, because it was a Gap. Christians are often characterized as people who believe whatever they are told by the church. These ideas all once seemed extraordinary, but in the years before the extraordinary evidence was found to support these extraordinary claims, these claims were still true, were they not? Go and repeat My Name, and teach others to do the same. So, 99 percent sure it doesn’t happen. That’s what we’re going to do in just a minute. And this is all anyone needs to be a skeptic—to hold beliefs on the basis of evidence and reason. Unless skeptics accept the true Jesus of the Bible as their personal Saviour, they are still outside the Kingdom of God. Again, looking over all these arguments, I seriously doubt many people have had their minds changed by them. They still need to be persuaded that Jesus is the Son of God, Who died on the cross for our sins and rose from the dead to conquer death for us. Yet string theory must be either right or wrong. But faith doesn't have to be blind. Lately I’ve read a lot of web articles written by angry atheists including many news articles about those crazy Christians and what superstitious fools they are, and that science has proven there is no God and Darwin was right and blah, blah, blah, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. That ought to be sufficient for us who believe in God. 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